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Florin Patan - 2013-01-16 12:32:00
This is just full of misleading stuff. Please take it down as not only you are hurting PHP by promoting wrong information but you also make it sound like your opinion is the only one that's good as you know better that the rest! http://florinpatan.ro/2013/01/16/phpclasses-should-stop-making-podcasts/
Manuel Lemos - 2013-01-16 12:59:36 - In reply to message 1 from Florin Patan
It seems you are not a native English speaker. That probably explains why you misunderstood many things that were said.
Other than that, it is hard to respect somebody that needs to resort to insults and rude language to express a different opinion.
If you want to be respected, consider avoiding rude language and personal insults.
Florin Patan - 2013-01-16 13:29:30 - In reply to message 2 from Manuel Lemos
It seems you are not a English speaker as well yet I didn't commented out how you said the above things but what you've said.
And yes, I can be a bit more rude that regular language but between rude and something that's misleading I'd choose rudeness every time.
And what's not to understand when you type it in plain text that PHP is going to kill MySQL extension when they actually just add a deprecation notice for the next version?
What's not to understand when you say that PHP-FIG wants to set standards for the PHP community when their mission is to have interoperability between projects but not to impose anything to anyone, some of their own members (can) chose not to follow some PSRs they vote without suffering any penalty from it.
So if you want me to speak nice to you, get your facts straight and I'll apologize for my rudeness then.
You have no right to mislead people.
Manuel Lemos - 2013-01-16 13:42:02 - In reply to message 3 from Florin Patan
The matter is that you misunderstood what was said and then you started making a campaign against the site using rude words and calling others for vandalism, as if the people in the podcast do not have the right to express their opinions just because they are different than yours.
If you want to be taken as a grown-up, you need to act like one. Being rude and hostile will only lead people to not take you seriously. If you want to be taken seriously, I would suggest that you calm down and avoid turning technical discussions into personal attacks.
The plan to effectively kill the original MySQL extension in future versions is not new. This was already debated in 2011. For now deprecation was just approved, but the intention to kill it in future versions was already expressed by many supporters that voted for the deprecation now.
PHP-FIG cannot impose anything to anyone because that is impossible but it is certainly the wish of many of its members.
I am not misleading people, I am just expressing my opinion. If you disagree with my opinion that is fine, nobody will be upset. Now you cannot tell me that I have no right to express my opinion. That is a basic freedom of speech assumption that you should not even question, at least if you live in a democratic country.
Florin Patan - 2013-01-16 22:16:03 - In reply to message 4 from Manuel Lemos
Well if I misunderstood what you said then you misunderstood me as well.
I wasn't rude, I was polite :)
I've used crap, misleading, and I think that's about it in terms of rude words, thought not being a native speaker of English I might not understand exactly if misleading is a rude word or not. Oh and I did had a 'How the f***' but since it was with *** I think it shouldn't offend anyone.
Each one of us has the right to his/her opinion, mine happens to be aligned with words that are considered rude or better expressed in that form.
If you think it's a personal attack, ok, great for you! It is... Not!
If you think it's a attack to the huge pile of information that got out via that podcast then you got it right this time.
I couldn't care less about you as a person, thought you are clearly a good guy and the first thing that you started with was that I'm not a native English speaker, but the fact that your website is promoting wrong information is worst that saying crap, again, in my day to day non-English life.
What I did said as an act of vandalism was to bombard you with e-mails asking you to take down the podcast. Riiight, I can see how e-mails could become a problem and how one could be offended by tens of e-mails asking you to remove a rotten apple.
I might embarrass myself right now by continuing this childish worthless ping-pong in which you say: but I only say what I think it's right and I say: but I only say what I think it's right but at least I'm not bragging about stuff I'm not sure I've fully understood ;)
Manuel Lemos - 2013-01-17 01:54:20 - In reply to message 5 from Florin Patan
Everybody is free to express your opinion, but it is not necessary to be rude and hostile just because you disagree with people with other opinion.
When you are rude, people do not give you credibility. Civilized people do not need to resort to be rude to make a point.
Wen you are disrespectful, people will stop respecting you.
When you demand that other people take down content on which they express their opinions, you are acting like a dictator censoring other people.
When you become hostile, people stop talking with you because nobody wants to deal with your hostility.
You should have got it by now for the fact that nobody followed you calls to act against the PHPClasses site.
If you do not want people to react like that, you may want to reconsider the way you communicate.
If you feel other people are wrong, you just need quietly to demonstrate why they are wrong according to your opinion.
I did not know you before, so I would never have anything against you. I think this was an unfortunate incident. I hope this dialog was useful for you to express yourself better.